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Material Library Wishlist

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Max, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Max

    Max Administrator Staff Member

    Hello, for v21 we are making a new GUI-based material library. No more text.

    We have a lot of thought put into this already, but nothing to show publicly yet - soon. In the meantime - what do you want to see?

    We're thinking about:
    • Make it easy to add/delete/modify materials
    • Make it easy to pick materials in the model vs file > properties
    • Let you favorite materials for even easier selection
    • Include more data about materials
      • Engineering data such as Poisson's ratio, etc.
      • Let you use material data in drawings
    • Associate appearance (color etc) with materials
    • Make it easy to share both individual materials and libraries of materials with other users

    What's your wishlist?

    Summary of Suggestions:

    • Remove material as a property of an assembly.
    • Make sure materials can link up with materials in M-Files vault.
    • Select an available Keyshot material to be associated with an AD material.
    • And no hardcoding of materials!
    • Update the help accordingly, and make sure it makes sense.
    • Set a 3D section view capping face color by material
    • Include Shrinkage as a variable, if possible.
    • Allow material properties to be used as parameter inputs in feature creation.
    • Allow material properties to be accessed from AlibreScript or/and WizoGrid.
    • Don't use scientific notation in Physical Properties
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2019
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  2. Max

    Max Administrator Staff Member

    Eddy, welcome to the forum. :D
     
  3. Eddy So

    Eddy So New Member

    Hello Max,

    I am a user of Atom3D (and Cubify Design) from Hong Kong.

    Eddy
     
  4. NateLiqGrav

    NateLiqGrav Alibre Super User

    Remove material as a property of an assembly. I don't understand why it's even an option there now.
     
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  5. Max

    Max Administrator Staff Member

    Eddy, your license will be upgraded to Expert. The USA is with you. Stay safe, good luck.

    Max
     
  6. Max

    Max Administrator Staff Member

    Can you be more specific?
     
  7. Eddy So

    Eddy So New Member

    Dear Max,

    This is a big surprise to me! Thank you so much!:D:D:D

    Best regards,
    Eddy So
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2019
  8. albie0803

    albie0803 Alibre Super User

    Make sure materials can link up with materials in M-Files vault.
     
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  9. simonb65

    simonb65 Alibre Super User

    Be really nice to link them through to Keyshot too (if possible!)
     
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  10. bigseb

    bigseb Alibre Super User

    YES YES YES!
     
  11. bigseb

    bigseb Alibre Super User

    +1!
     
  12. bigseb

    bigseb Alibre Super User

    And no hardcoding of materials!
     
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  13. DavidJ

    DavidJ Alibre Super User Staff Member

    Update the help accordingly, and make sure it makes sense.

    For example in current Materials dialogue there is no explanation of what the checkbox 'sync with part data' is for, nor any information on circumstances in which you might not want to check it.... Things like that should either be explained more clearly or perhaps removed.

    We already have control over 2D section hatch - if linking appearance to material, maybe we can get to specify 3D section colour too?
     
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  14. NateLiqGrav

    NateLiqGrav Alibre Super User

    This.
     
  15. Lew_Merrick

    Lew_Merrick Alibre Super User

    Max -- Material Property is something applied to Parts. Assemblies are made up of Parts (which should have Material Properties already assigned). It would be "better" (though quite a challenge operationally) to list component Parts having an "improper" Material assigned to them.

    I am working with a company that "defaults" to "Custom" materials with a density of 1 kg/cm³ -- and then they wonder why all their "weight analysis is so far off. My argument is that "Material Properties" be expanded to include: Tensile Yield Stress, Ultimate Tensile Stress, Tensile Modulus, Tangent Modulus, and Maximum Operating Temperature (with such information becoming available to the user though an "Infor Pop-Up"). -- Lew
     
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  16. bigseb

    bigseb Alibre Super User

    A material property that I could really use is shrinkage. And I would like to call up that value as a function in the scale tool.
     
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  17. Max

    Max Administrator Staff Member

    If I understand you right you want to have a material property called Shrinkage that has a number as its data, and you want to use this data as a variable input to a feature, Scale in this case?

    Wondering for how many other variables this would be useful, if any.

    BTW we are considering adding the following properties, among others, to an expanded default materials list:
    • Name
    • Description
    • Source
    • Physical Properties
      • Density
      • Hardness
      • Tensile Strength Ultimate and Yield
      • Poisson's ratio
      • Shear modulus
      • Shear strength
    • Electrical
      • Resistivity
    • Thermal
      • Coefficient of thermal expansion
      • Specific heat
    • Appearance
      • Diffuse color
      • Transparency value
    • Hatch (2D)
      • Pattern
      • Scale
      • Angle
      • Line weight
    This list hasn't been finalized yet. We're also in the works to try to have an expanded set of around 400 common engineering materials with this data.
     
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  18. idslk

    idslk Alibre Super User

    Hello Max,
    will we be able to reach them from AlibreScript or/and WizoGrid?
    Regards
    Stefan
     
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  19. DavidJ

    DavidJ Alibre Super User Staff Member

    If adding hardness - it needs to be able to cope with the multiple hardness scales (or just be a bare number, that can be used for any scale).

    Single value for most mechanical properties isn't too bad for metals - composites become much more complex. I can imagine it being useful to call out say minimum or a range of values on drawing for some mechanical properties (say if restricting tighter than a property range given in a common standard).

    Would the 400 or so common materials have North American names, or be more generic?

    From past experience I know this is far more complex than it seems at first glance.
     
  20. Max

    Max Administrator Staff Member

    I am not sure if Script will have access to them as of v21 - I'm not too familiar with that area of Script's capabilities. However, BigSeb's use case of populating a value (e.g. Scale factor) from a value in the Material Properties list will not be available in v21 since we have so much else going on already. However it would be a good candidate for v22.
     
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